Leaving the darkness into the brightness with a whole bunch of sailors helping me sail that ship, because I couldn’t sail it all alone, and I needed other people to help me take that big ship into the brightness, and so it became kind of a good thing for me to look back on over and over.
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Hello and welcome to The Schapera Show where Viv and Neil explore this big adventure called life.
Our guest today is someone who has lived a lot of life, our most senior guest ever traversing some very severe downs and willing to share how he navigated those downs, turning them back into ups.
Let’s welcome Larry Freeborg
Hi Larry, thank you for coming on the show.
Thank you, it’s very nice to be here Vivian.
Thank you so much Larry.
Larry, I wonder if you can begin by telling us the title of your book and something about your background and what happened that inspired your book.
It all worked out, that’s a way to sum up some very difficult times isn’t it? It is, because there were lots of, lots of, how can I say, ups and downs in that journey, but that was a good part of the journey, learning how to handle the ups and the downs and to just send it.
What I like is the lesson that I’ve learned in the last few years is you have a down and you just accept that it’s there and then eventually you convert it into a gift and an opportunity and that’s seemingly the way that it’s worked is I’ve been able to take every down and eventually, not right away, but after thinking about it for a while, see it as a gift and as an opportunity to do something else and that’s really where a lot of the growth comes from because they’ve identified what’s the next lesson for me to grow in, what’s the next lesson for me to improve my life with and so I’ve used other people to give me ideas on how to do it.
I haven’t been at all alone, I didn’t come up with all these ideas on my own, but in the book I’ve captured the lessons that I’ve learned from others and I’ve played a lot of things.
Not everything I’ve tried works, but I wrote about the ones that worked and hopefully that’ll be helpful to the people who read the book.
Yes, so it’s very interesting, isn’t it, that we can summarize so many years.
How many years has it been since your first wife passed, Larry? How many years is it? Well, she passed in so not past that much, but today is so that was the…
Yeah, so someone can do the arithmetic and not us, not in the age of alchemists, calculators, so it’s interesting how we can package something that’s very raw, very intense, very messy and then it can get packaged and streamlined into a few sentences like you just did now.
But what I want to do is just open that up a little bit and I think where we can begin is what is the meaning of the ship on the cover of your book? Thank you for that question, I love that question because the ship on the book is so meaningful.
I was in the psych ward with an art project and what that is is a picture of my actual cockle rubbing and when I did that ship, it meant for me leaving the darkness into the brightness with a whole bunch of sailors helping me sail that ship because I couldn’t sail it all alone and I needed other people to help me take that big ship into the brightness and so it became kind of a good thing for me to look back on over and over.
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